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are the emo kids flooding the forum yet?

You're here, aren't you?

what the f*ck is that supposed to mean

Nothing. Just a joke.

I've told you guys before I hate a lot about the ska scene. This is one part.

Ska kids tend to be way hypocritical about lot of things. Emo is one of these things. They preach Unity to all and then go backa nd "Emo sucks, all emo kids should go cry in a corner." Wheres their Unity then? I don't actively listen to emo, but I do enjoy it. I LOATHE when people say "OH I listen to ska, I can't listen to emo. It is like the anti-thesis of ska. It is all about being depressed and stupidthings like losing your girlfriend and ska is all about being happy and fun." It makes me seriosuly disappointed in the scene and in the human race. Because you can listen to both emo and ska as much as you can combine the two genres. The two scenes clash so much it pisses me off. There is no need for it.

I swear to God if I hear one person say "It is too whiney and depressed for me." I will go to their house and eat their unborn man babies.

actually man, this thread was just a joke. skadanny said something about an emo thread in another post, so i thought it would be fun to test if you post shit about emo kids that they come sprawling in to the forum to defend themselves. by no means was this supposed to be a serious thread, nor was it suppose to actually attract emo kids here from around the world.

and to respond to what you said...
it doesnt bother me at all if someone doesnt like something, they obviously have their own reasons for not liking certain types of music. but i do agree that its stupid to not like music because of other music. also unity i dont think is about loving everyone, thats impossible. its just about respecting people as humans, and you dont have to agree with someone on every level to fulfill their basic human rights.

and you can come eat my unborn babies now because i hate those whiney ass voices

I know, I read the thread.

I was just basing my rant off it.

And your ignorance was not unexpected.

ignorance?? because i dont like emo? wow man, thats f*ck ing incredible
i forgot that everyone has to be soooo PC that you cant even have an opinion anymore


and note my edit above in which i included unity into my argument

Why single out ska kids for this? Its unfortunately human nature. We're all hypocritical. The government that says it cares about us and then robs us or says we have troops in the Middle East to "protect us from terrorists". Or how we "hate killing" but glorify it on TV and in music and in how we eat. Or how we "hate corporations", but then only buy brand name apparrel. Or "punk" kids buying expensive DK shirts at Hot Topic. Or "sXe" kids that are "sXe for life" or at least until they go off to college. Or "religious" people that tell us "Jesus loves you" while they spit out hate and division against all matter of other people, just because they don't get the same ideas from their own reading of the Bible.

Shall I go on??????

Are ska kids hypocritical? Of course. Because they're fallible humans like everyone else. Hopefully we recognize our shortcomings and work on them. And if we succeed at that work, it doesn't make us any better than anyone else, just better-acting citizens of the planet. Which still is an important goal. Ska in part stands for civility -- which means, we don't all have to see eye-to-eye or love everyone else, but we DO need to respect each other and get along. That's part of what ska is about.


Well, one can argue they're unified about that then.

Seriously though, I hear your rant and agree. I don't find kids putting other kids down very "ska-like" and it seems to me most of the kids that really get into that crap are not very into ska, honestly. Or at the very least, they don't understand it well enough yet to "get" the core message. It's a process and I hope you and others don't judge us always by our failures or weakest links. Ours is a big tent, so we welcome sinners and saints. Can't really have one without the other ...


A very un-ska-like response, even in jest, no offense. We're not much into real or threatened physical violence. We tend to exert most of our energy dancing or laughing or arguing, but not using fists or threats of fists. Our moral heroes are people like Marcus Garvey, Gandhi, MLK, Jerry Dammers or Nelson Mandela. While we respect the goals of other moral leaders like Malcolm X, we respectfully disagree with their methods.

Am I making any sense yet????

You see you agree with me on the Unity subject.

But what you don't understand is what I know.

Go to the Ska Summit messageboards. Make fun of someone.

About three people will comment about "Where is the unity?"

Those are the same people who bash emo kids.

In response to Danny:

I hate that you are smart. I as pointing out one aspect of this scene that annoys me. I was REQUIRED to single out skakids, but only as an example. A lot of what I am pointing out is what people see ska as, because the vast majority of people who are in to ska right now are either casual listeners or diehard fans. Most casual listeners see ska as ska-punk, nothing else. Most are ignorant of their roots. One time I managed to convince a poor soul that Mustard Plug was trad and another that Reel Big Fish started ska. That ignorance is what annoys me. It goes hand in hand with the misunderstanding of Unity and thinking that all ska is happy, fun and "anti-emo". Yes we accept these people to our scene because we understand what it was like to be there, but there is also the aspect of them perputating a cycle that will never stop. Endless stereotypes that we don't need.

It is simpler to put it this way: If everyone were me, I wouldn't have a problem.

I don't really think generic "bashing emo kids" is really a problem, any more than the generic "bashing ska kids" you're doing here. On that level, it's more silly and just general commentary.

Now when it goes further and becomes actual bashing of individuals or of people to their faces (or loudly behind their backs), then that's an ENTIRELY different thing, agreed?

And no offense, but I've had a much bigger problem of that from hardcore or emo or punk kids than ska kids. Its a very common problem all around, but the very core messages of those other scenes seems to really encourage it. I've heard that crap a LOT and it's pretty instinctual to respond inkind, although thats also highly disappointing.

I'm very proud I haven't punched anyone since grade school, although I've worked security for Six Flags and for literally hundreds and hundreds of concerts in which I've broken up a ton of fights. I'm not the least bit shy about breaking up fights. But to hear hardcore kids brag about how they well they punched someone, I'm sorry, but I just find that very distasteful.

I really love history a lot and I'm very aware that there was a HUGE argument between the followers of Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. and those of Malcolm X, who were both trying to combat terrible injustices at the same time, but from very different angles. And I've always gathered that most of the people affected then seemed to root more for Malcolm than Martin, which again, I think is just basic human nature.

Wow, just the other day someone from Public Access was talking to me after the show about how Earth Crisis used to talk a lot about using violence as a legitimate way to deal with societal ills and how messed up that was to say. It's Malcolm X all over again.

And lastly, while Op Ivy had a nice idea talking about "unity", its much easier said then done, quite obviously. And I've always been under the impression they primarily meant kids standing together, which I think is more true than not (regardless of whats been said here) and of the working class standing together, which seems less and less true (see my thread on the AFL-CIO which no one will reply to).

I've seen endless debates about what we all mean by "unity" and its very hard to say, isn't it?????????

I'd personally say, it's like the movie "Mon Oncle d'Amerique". "Unity" means the rats recognizing the stress and electric shocks they feel in their cages aren't from the other rats and therefore, they should not attack one another, in spite of that being exactly what the evil scientists want. We have to find a way to get our overlords in the cages in our place.

Very much agreed.

So, this means you too have to help me on the new website.

Seriously, I know the problem all too well and its a very simple lack of education problem, I'm quite convinced. My new website is all about the proper education. Think of it as a course called Ska 101. I've got so much good material for this new site, it's killing me continuing to sit on it. Like the guy from San Jose State with the scholarly paper on ska ...

Get ahold of me at a show or via Kingston Beat. Ranting and raving won't save us from ignorance. Rolling up our sleeves and getting into the trenches will -- join me!!!

Wow, all that heated debate for a joke?
Gee, good thing you guys know how to keep your cool.

Danny, have I mentioned lately that I love you.

at least someone realizes its a joke